Via: UK.AC.EARN-RELAY; 16 OCT 89 17:50:09 GMT Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 0395; Mon, 16 Oct 89 17:50:23 BS Received: from CEARN.cern.ch by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2779; Mon, 16 Oct 89 17:50:21 B Received: by CEARN (Mailer R2.04) id 2096; Mon, 16 Oct 89 17:50:23 GVA Date: Mon, 16 Oct 89 10:00:32 MDT Reply-To: INFO-ATARI16@MIL.ARMY.WSMR-SIMTEL20 Sender: INFO-ATARI16 Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was INFO-A16@MARIST From: INFO-ATARI16-REQUEST@MIL.ARMY.WSMR-SIMTEL20 Subject: INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 #525 Comments: To: INFO-ATARI16@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-ATARI16 Digest Mon, 16 Oct 89 Volume 89 : Issue 525 Today's Topics: Databases disassemblers Extended argument passing scheme IMG JIM ALLEN COMPUSERVE OR BITNET ADDRESS? Link format PC-Ditto II/ PC-Speed Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1) (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Oct 89 10:13:19 GMT From: nis!pwcs!stag!daemon@UMN-CS.CS.UMN.EDU (Kent Schumacher) Subject: Databases [dm@pnet01.cts.com (Dan Melson) writes...] > This is a repeated question. I'm in the market for a database, and having no > experience with them, would appreciate the views of the net on them. The more > specific and detailed, the better, of course. > > I originally posted this about five days ago, and got exactly five responses, > three of which were 'could you let me know, too'. At this point, replies via > either e-mail or public means are more than welcome. Those of you who > maintained silence for fear of deluging the recipient are hereby invited to > attempt it. I'll summarize the e-mail responses I get. > > DM The most powerful data-base manager is DbMan. Along with that go ridiculous amounts of disk usage and access, the most pathetic user interface I've ever seen on an ST (it's almost as bad as most PC based applications), and a small number of bugs - some fatal - all work-aroundable. DbMan is usable if you have a hard-drive, at least one meg of memory, Turbo ST 1.6, and have used a PC extensively, or alternatively you periodically hit your head against hard objects. The only reason to buy it, is that it offers the most power to the user of all the data-bases I have any experience with. Try before you buy. (Also read a magazine review and get a look at the manual). I paid $150.00 for the thing. - Kent Schumacher /* "A member of STdNET- */ ardvar!krs@stag.UUCP /* The ST developers network */ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 89 19:57:45 GMT From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Deimert) Subject: disassemblers What disassemblers are there for the ST? I heard something about a new german logical disassembler, and that it probably wasn't worth the price to convert it to english. I'm looking for a disassembler that can able to do the following things: o Disassemble from a file, with symbols. o Generate labels. o Recognize illegal instructions and set these to dc.? o Generate code that can directly be assembled again. o .PRG, .TOS, .TTP, .O, .BIN, etc should be handled. o Specification of data-areas should be possible o Hex-codes as a comment as an option o character strings as comments as an option o ...several other things I don't remember right now :-) The only one I've got is the 'built-in' disassembler in GenST, and it has errors... Are there any disassemblers with sourcecode avaiable? Then it should be no problem changing the format of the output. Please e-mail any response to me, or post it to the net. Daniel -- Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN Internet: daniel@pkmab.se UUCP: ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 89 11:58:51 MEZ From: ONM07%DMSWWU1A.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Julian Reschke) Subject: Extended argument passing scheme What happened to the promised extended argument passing standard, Atari? Have I missed something? ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 89 11:09:35 GMT From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Deimert) Subject: IMG In article <8910120726.AA21587@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> MEGGIN@vm.epas.utoronto.CA (David Megginson) writes: >IMG is, was, and always will be the standard GEM image format. NEO, P?3, >etc. were invented by programmers too lazy to try to use the IMG standard. Too lazy -- or simply to demanding. The .IMG-format is too complex, to strange, requires to much effort to use. At least that's my opinion. >Yes, IMG is supposed to support colour too. Hey, how do you know the colors? As far as I know, there are no way of specifying the palette data. Only the number of bitplanes. Am I wrong? Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN Internet: daniel@pkmab.se UUCP: ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel ------------------------------ Date: 16 OCT 89 04:15:10 CST From: Z4648252 Subject: JIM ALLEN COMPUSERVE OR BITNET ADDRESS? Could someone please send to me Jim Allen of the Turbo 16 accelerator card's BitNet or CompuServe address? Many thanks!!!!! Larry Rymal: |East Texas Atari 68NNNers| ------------------------------ Date: 15 Oct 89 11:01:03 GMT From: mcsun!sunic!kullmar!pkmab!daniel@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Deimert) Subject: Link format In article larserio@IFI.UIO.NO (LarsErikOsterud) writes: >I use Personal Pascal 2 for all my programming and need a little help. >You can include your own C and ASM routines in Personal Pascal, but it >will only accept files with DRI linker format and all my C-compilers and >Assembler uses GST linker-format. Use DecpacST/2 as assembler instead! It can produce either DRI or GST object files. And I find Decpac being one of the best packages, too. It's quite cheap, fast, easy to use and has a wonderful debugger! And I think that MWC can produce DRI format files, but I'm not sure. Maybe Alcyon C? -- Daniel Deimert, Fridstav. 4, S-715 94 Odensbacken, SWEDEN Internet: daniel@pkmab.se UUCP: ...?uunet,mcvax?!sunic.sunet.se!kullmar!pkmab!daniel ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 89 06:15:36 GMT From: unmvax!ogccse!blake!themod@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Chris Hinton) Subject: PC-Ditto II/ PC-Speed Since we're on the subject of PC emulation, can someone explain the defferent graphic modes (VGA, CGA, etc) available, and what the emulators can emulate. Chris Hinton ---- themod@blake.acs.washington.edu Mod Software Systems Seattle, Wa 98195 "Why didn't you tell me he had one of those... things?" - The Joker. "My life is really...complex." - Bruce Wayne. "Good tea...Nice House." - Lt. Worf ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 89 13:05:39 GMT From: eru!luth!sunic!draken!matsl@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Mats Luthman) Subject: Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1) In article <942@dutrun.UUCP> robert@duttnph.UUCP (Robert de Vries) writes: >I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they >all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code. How much faster than for example Lattice C? Could you give a rough estimate of the speed in lines per second? Mats Luthman ------------------------------ Date: 16 Oct 89 09:37:52 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!dutrun!robert@uunet.uu.net (Robert de Vries) Subject: Turbo C (was Re: Problems with LASER C 2.1) In article <1588@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca> depeche@quiche.cs.mcgill.ca "Depeche Modem" writes: >grrr. how frustrating. I can't wait to get PC-Speed so I can run f*cking >Turbo C. I sent a letter to Megamax. I will tell you how long they take to >reply to it... It's really funny, because Turbo C for the ST already exists for almost a year now. It is available from Heimsoeth in Germany who have an agreement with the Turbo company in the USA. They use the parser from the PC version and made their own code generator. At this moment version 1.1 is released with support for the f68881 floating point coprocessor. In december they release a sourcecode level debugger. I have heard that these products are not sold in the USA, it is time this will change, because it produces the fastest code of all ST C-compilers. I have used a lot of them (Mark Williams, Lattice, Laser, GNU CC) and they all compile slower and they produce slower code and larger code. I use it all the time, and being developer of the image processing package AIM, I know how nice a package it really is. I have no connections with Heimsoeth in any way. I'm only very enthousiastic about their product. It is also very cheap. In Germany it sells for 225 DM, which will be roughly $ 100,-. This is the smallest version, without an extra assembler. With assembler (the developers version) it costs 340 DM ($ 160) I hope this gives a little more attention to this compiler, which deserves it completely. Robert. ------------------------------ End of INFO-ATARI16 Digest V89 Issue #525 *****************************************